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Don't know if you want my advice, but hear my out first. The kind of info you placed here is not enough to determine either you are ready or not do raid Karazhan.

The info it lacks is stats:
Healers:
The most important here is your bonus healing stat. Should be around 1000 for off-healers and 1200 for main healer (3 healers total for Karazhan). Other stats should be mp3, mana, health, in that order (health is important for all roles, because some encounters require a set amount of health on every player, like Shade of Aran for example)
Dpsers:
As you can imagine, the most important is damage bonus and crit chance. Don't know the values for Kara. If you can beat Curator, you have enough dps up until Prince.
Tanks:
Uncritablility is a must. That means 490 defense for Warrior, 415 for Druid. Can be substituted by Resilience, but should not be (because Resilience does not give dodge and parry bonus. Defense does).
Health, Mitigation (Armor and Block), Avoidance (Dodge + Parry) are important also.

With that kind of information as mentioned above, a skilled Raid Leader would be able to determine, if a person is ready or not for a said Raid Instance. Saying simply: green, blues, some epix is not enough.


And one more thing about the role for hybrid classes: The problem is not a respec, that is easy. The biggest problem is: do you have good equip for your other spec, when you respec? Saying that you can tank, heal or dps is redundant, cause just saying you are a paladin or druid means you can tank, heal or dps. But the most important information is: how good can you tank, heal or dps? And what are you best at gear-wise.


Btw, to be clear on naming conventions: Heroics are not raid instances. They are normal dungeons. You run them, not raid them. Raid Instances in TBC are: Karazhan, Zul'Aman Tempest Keep: The Eye, Serpentshrine Caverns, Magtheridion's Lair, Gruul's Lair, Mount Hyjal and Black Temple.


Distant: Moved to it's own topic as this post is not about guild character.
Crow: Moved to Workshop, as this writing is supposed to increase our gaming skills. Hopefully it will develop into more informative discussion.

One of the first things I have learned about WoW, and one I will most likely never forget, is a simple statement I found on some forums: "When people tell you 'learn to play' they actually mean 'get beter equip' ". Funny enough, it really turns out to be true, to some degree. Nevertheless, some further reading in Ravnes topic:

http://lordsofnordrassil.net/2007/11/12 ... t-targets/
http://www.worldofmatticus.com/2007/11/ ... -karazhan/

I totally agree with Raven, that in 'raid readiness' we should post our 'main' stats, rather than rarity of our stuff.

Well you both miss the point, since that wasn't the purpose of the topic I've made. For item upgrades and stats go here: eu.wowarmory.com.

We have a well prepared core of 4-5 people and a lot of greenbies with karah q not completed and no keys to heroics. I need to know what is their preparation level, so we can decide how to boost those people. Items really are not a problem. We can easily take those people to some easier heroics (with welfare pvp epics not rly a problem). That's how we performed with Lich lately in Ramps, BF, UB, SP. By playing with us he gained both equip and experience. No equip for the fifth and fourth person, well we can manage it. No keys - no play.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/

And as far as I know, yeah, you generally get your required + Spell Hit, then start messing with the rest.

I got almost all stats that are mentioned for warlock in Crow's links at lvl 70 with greens. All except spell hit. Yesterday I got first spell hit gear, +17. I will get more with my PvP staff and gems & enchants. I'm not sure if I should reset talents for raiding, my PvP one is doing fine so far I guess. Any advices for warlocks?

I know Armory gives you a rather detailed description of anyone in guild. First of all, however, it is not accurate tool in determining raid readiness. For instance, most of the time you will see me in my PvP or Solo gear (which favors sta / dmg over raid stats) instead of my raiding stats (like Rav who thought I had +600 healing when I had 1k already). Secondly it might be annoying for the raid leader to search through all the chars. Finally - the armory does not have some of the information we have in our topic (like keys or real nicks)so why make guild leader life harder, by making him look in two different places?

But yeh, back on topic - give us more advice ;p

For dpsers:
First of all I think it's a bit redundant to repost that "you forgot about the hit rating", I think the point is clear after one time. Anyways, I do agree that hit rating is important, but I don't fully agree with stating that for affliction warlock it is totaly needed to get about 90 of it. I find myself raiding TK/SSC with not even that much hit rating (thou working on it now as gear for it is not THAT easy to come by) and being kinda high on dps metters (even first sometimes, with no "only you AoE" bosses).

Hit rating is important, thou I would more favour +spell dmg at the beggining of Kara. There is no use droping very good items with +dmg +crit (crit is very close to useless for affliction warlocks, we like +dmg better, but if you have it, it won't hurt). If you have sloted items, it's good to invest in the +4 spell hit +5 spell dmg gemstone. If you run heroic Mechanar, than you can find +5 spell hit +6 spell dmg one, but it's unique-equiped. Heard that the unique-equiped part should be removed in 2.4 so maybe getting a nice set of em b4 hand is a good idea?

So, to sum it up, do not go god knows how far for few points in +hit, 83% is not the best hit chance you can get, but it's not that tragic, aditional power to spells that hit can cover for the mere 16% (max 99 remamber?). If you can, invest in it, but if there are clearly better items without +hit, don't hesitate.

Well, the point is that 1 +hit gives higher DPS then +1 dmg (there's math all over forums that prove this, or just thinking about missing a 2k dmg attack more often, or adding a few extra dmg per attack) unless you hit the dmg cap and depending on which move you use, generally 1 +hit is more DPS then 1 +crit unless you have about 1800 +hit (that's for 10/48/3 fire mages using normal spell rotation, other classes will be different, but I've not studied them as it takes a lot of time, affliction Warlocks may be completely different, as I've not seen numbers on them.

I'm quite sure that you miss my point OWA, there is nothing even near a trade +1 hit for +1 dmg or the other way around. You usualy get hell lot of +dmg while very few points of +hit. Surely, +1 hit > +1 dmg, but I highly doubt you will often get a trade like that...

As for +crit I don't know, hardly using it anyway. Just remamber that there is very very rarely thing like trading +1 hit for +1 dmg or +1 crit, thou the one with crit is very near.